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Topic: Harassment, Parliament and the BBC

Beppy on Sat 04-Nov-2017 | 18:22PM
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If it happened in every case - and we have no way of knowing whether it did or not.  Why did no-one say anything publicly at the time?  And a few risqué comments hardly make them the victims they're being portrayed as.

They seem to want to be seen as victims don't they.
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guest534 on Sat 04-Nov-2017 | 23:16PM
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We do not know the facts. Maybe they are victims?
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aron on Sat 04-Nov-2017 | 23:35PM
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Do we know for certain that all the women who have 'come forward' are telling the truth?


No.

Do we know for certain that all the men who are accused are telling the truth ?

No.

If I had been sexually abused and not let it publicly be known at the time, I think it would have been because in that day and age when men seemed to wield power over women, a woman would maybe have been told to get over it, or she would maybe have been too embarrassed to say anything.

And the reason that these women are now coming forward is maybe something to do with having strength in numbers, ie, all in together girls..

Yes, there may be a few who are jumping on the bandwagon, but there may be a lot more who have been abused, and why should we not believe them now ? 

The longer they have kept all this to themselves the harder I think it would be to bring it all out now.

They have felt shame long enough for no reason at all.

the older I get -
the younger I was.
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jock364 on Sat 04-Nov-2017 | 23:56PM
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SG on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 00:40AM
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They weren't all shy, shrinking violets I'm sure, so why didn't one, just one of them say something publicly at the time?  You say 'that day and age' but some of the allegations only go back a few years, not to the dark ages.  I find it hard to believe that someone like, say Angela Leadsom, wouldn't be confident and strong enough to tell any man who crossed her to sod off or she'd have his balls for castanets!
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Lila1410 on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 07:25AM
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Didn't Leadsom only speak up now in support of what other women were saying?
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Griffon on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 07:39AM
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Or maybe she hoped Fallon would be replaced by a Brexiteer.
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guest534 on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 08:56AM
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It is becoming increasingly clear that many DID say something at the time but went through the whole gamut of useless responses from simply being told they were being silly little women manning a fuss over nothing to blatant threats about their career prospects.

What I find particularly concerning about some of the reactions is the rush to defend the alleged perpetrators and belittle the women claiming misconduct.

And that is now......when we are assume to have reasonably equal status.

And people ask why women have not said anything until, as Aron wisely observes, it becomes a high profile moment in time and there is safety in numbers.
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guest534 on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 09:00AM
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Or maybe she hoped Fallon would be replaced by a Brexiteer.

AL is vile and showed herself as such during the PM election that wasn't, but why are we forgetting it is Fallon who is the guilty party here, on his own admission, and the extent of his failings seem to be growing daily.

Do we really have to have Brexit brought into this too!


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Myra on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 09:44AM
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No.

Do we know for certain that all the men who are accused are telling the truth ?

No.

If I had been sexually abused and not let it publicly be known at the time, I think it would have been because in that day and age when men seemed to wield power over women, a woman would maybe have been told to get over it, or she would maybe have been too embarrassed to say anything.

And the reason that these women are now coming forward is maybe something to do with having strength in numbers, ie, all in together girls..

Yes, there may be a few who are jumping on the bandwagon, but there may be a lot more who have been abused, and why should we not believe them now ? 

The longer they have kept all this to themselves the harder I think it would be to bring it all out now.

They have felt shame long enough for no reason at all.

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Don't waste words on people who deserve your silence.   Sometimes the most powerful thing you can say is nothing at all.
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Myra on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 09:45AM
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It is becoming increasingly clear that many DID say something at the time but went through the whole gamut of useless responses from simply being told they were being silly little women manning a fuss over nothing to blatant threats about their career prospects.

What I find particularly concerning about some of the reactions is the rush to defend the alleged perpetrators and belittle the women claiming misconduct.

And that is now......when we are assume to have reasonably equal status.

And people ask why women have not said anything until, as Aron wisely observes, it becomes a high profile moment in time and there is safety in numbers.
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Don't waste words on people who deserve your silence.   Sometimes the most powerful thing you can say is nothing at all.
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SG on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 10:02AM
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As I said previously, AL is no shrinking violet.  I am sure that had she wanted to deal with the matter at the time she could have done most effectively.

Someone telling you they know somewhere you could warm your hands does not make you a victim.
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guest1764 on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 10:05AM
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She's not a victim, she was reporting his bad behaviour which he acknowledged himself and that's why he's gone.  Another woman has shared her story of Fallon 'lunging' at her after a meeting.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5050637/Journalist-claims-Michael-Fallon-lunged-her.html
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SG on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 10:21AM
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The word victim has been used in the media and on here.

Where there has been an actual physical assault - lunging at someone and trying to kiss them for instance, and other forms of physical contact, why, again, did not one of the complainants go straight to the Police if they were so disturbed by what happened, instead of discussing it with other people who had no authority or inclination to do anything about it?

Maybe if just one woman had gone to the Police, and the offender had been dealt with, it would have given the message to other men that such behaviour wasn't acceptable?
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Norn on Sun 05-Nov-2017 | 12:01PM
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Some women apparently did go to the police, and were given the same brush-off. I'd be very surprised if this type of male behaviour wasn't also endemic in the Police until recently.
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