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Title: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Harvatt on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 00:15AM
Hello ,    On the afternoon of the Budget  - Wednesday  -   I for once watched
Phillip Hammond give his Budget Speech and Jeremy Corbyn give his reply ,
but what I noticed most of all was that Theresa May really looked ill at one
point . I was a little concerned that  the Budget Speeches , the many other  jobs
she has in hand , together with listening to the speeches and added to the  many
discussions internationally that she has had to be involved with in connection
with ' BREXIT ' particularly, was making her show some signs of strain. Did
anyone else have that feeling  ?  After all she has been to some extend - thrown
in at the deep end of all this as well . It is not my intention to show  any
political bias in to this post ,  It is just me showing some concern for a person who
in all honesty must have been working very hard the last few weeks to say the
least , and a person who seems to be very dedicated .     Regards       Terry .
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: jock364 on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 00:51AM
If I were she, I really would have difficulty in finding a deputy PM that I could trust.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 06:38AM
I have wondered for some time whether Teresa May has good enough physical health to do the job.  She is a diabetic isn't she. That may or may not be relevant. I'm also going by how she looks sometimes. Just a feeling.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Norn on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 09:05AM
She has got herself in an impossible position, hasn't she. She will go down as the PM who took us out of the EU, crashed the economy, and caused the breakup of the UK as well .
Unless she has to resign because she is ill  and let Davis or Johnson take the blame :-)
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Janey on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 12:30PM
I have wondered for some time whether Teresa May has good enough physical health to do the job.  She is a diabetic isn't she. That may or may not be relevant. ...

Totally irrelevant and insulting to people with diabetes.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 12:44PM
Totally irrelevant and insulting to people with diabetes.
I did say it "may or may not be relevant". Her diabetes is not the reason I suspect she may not be physically strong enough for the job. But even it were, it would not be an insult to people with diabetes. It just isn't.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Janey on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 12:48PM
So why mention the diabetes at all?

I think it is insulting.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 13:13PM
Well, it isn't because I'm not (being insulting).  In my view she quite often looks frail and tired. Now, that in itself doesn't necessary mean anything. Some people can look frail and tired, yet still carry on in stressful positions for years. I'm agreeing with the OP's observation. I merely mentioned that she has a health issue. It could be any number of other conditions that people cope with but which may or may not hinder them. Stress often has a negative affect on any condition.

Funnily enough I expressed this speculation a week or two ago in the company of two people who suffer from diabetes. Neither appeared to be insulted. In fact it was one of them who raised the fact that May has the condition. 
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Gillian on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 13:25PM
My husband has diabetics.   The medicine he takes stops his body using one of the B vitamins from his food.   He got very tired and weak until he started 3 monthly injections of the vitamin..
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: cass on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 14:03PM
Well, it isn't because I'm not (being insulting).  In my view she quite often looks frail and tired. Now, that in itself doesn't necessary mean anything. Some people can look frail and tired, yet still carry on in stressful positions for years. I'm agreeing with the OP's observation. I merely mentioned that she has a health issue. It could be any number of other conditions that people cope with but which may or may not hinder them. Stress often has a negative affect on any condition.

Funnily enough I expressed this speculation a week or two ago in the company of two people who suffer from diabetes. Neither appeared to be insulted. In fact it was one of them who raised the fact that May has the condition.
I have Diabetes and was not at all insulted. I admire Theresa  May and fully accept that people with that condition need a lot of stamina. I hope she soon gets people around her who will help.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Snowqueen on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 14:55PM
She hasn't looked well for a long time imo . Those dark circles under her eyes could indicate an underlying health problem , kidneys for instance . No insults intended .
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Janey on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 16:21PM
Well, it isn't because I'm not (being insulting).  I

Just because you don't think you are being insulting, doesn't mean people may find your comment insulting.

Funnily enough I expressed this speculation a week or two ago in the company of two people who suffer from diabetes. Neither appeared to be insulted. In fact it was one of them who raised the fact that May has the condition.

I fail to see the relevance of her having diabetes and her ability to be PM.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 16:41PM
Just because you don't think you are being insulting, doesn't mean people may find your comment insulting.
True. But I refuse to feel responsible for other people who you think might be insulted.

I fail to see the relevance of her having diabetes and her ability to be PM.
Neither do I.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Janey on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 16:42PM
So why mention it?   :grrr:
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 16:49PM
Sorry I posted in haste. What I mean is there's no reason in principle why someone with diabetes shouldn't be PM. But it might be relevant in her case if, as we have speculated, she is not as physically robust as she might be.

Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: LouisJadot on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 18:08PM
It was her choice to throw her hat into the ring, She could of said this is not for me, I am not well enough for this. Also I find quite amazing as she was in favour of staying in the EU, The job of taking us out should of went to a Brexiteer.  Never mind she will get stabbed in the back by her party if she does not get what they want, and as they all want different things she will never satisfy them all.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: SG on Fri 10-Mar-2017 | 21:56PM
It was her choice to throw her hat into the ring, She could of said this is not for me, I am not well enough for this.

She could, she didn't so presumably she is!
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Harvatt on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 10:32AM
So why mention it?   :grrr:

I Like your Roald Dahl's quotation  Janey   .
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 11:11AM
It was her choice to throw her hat into the ring, She could of said this is not for me, I am not well enough for this. Also I find quite amazing as she was in favour of staying in the EU, The job of taking us out should of went to a Brexiteer.  Never mind she will get stabbed in the back by her party if she does not get what they want, and as they all want different things she will never satisfy them all.
I too wonder how she resolves her views about the EU and her current position. Historically she always was a bit hot and cold about Europe. Is she just a pragmatic politician? Power before principle? One could be forgiven for supposing that, prior to the referendum, she positioned herself to assume power if it went for Brexit, but cleverly without jeopardising her position if it went to Remain. She could have become PM eventually whichever way it went.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Pink Geranium on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 11:20AM
Of course Griffon wasn't being insulting. He was merely stating a fact about her health. No diabetics I know would find it insulting.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: LouisJadot on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 11:23AM
I too wonder how she resolves her views about the EU and her current position. Historically she always was a bit hot and cold about Europe. Is she just a pragmatic politician? Power before principle? One could be forgiven for supposing that, prior to the referendum, she positioned herself to assume power if it went for Brexit, but cleverly without jeopardising her position if it went to Remain. She could have become PM eventually whichever way it went.

I always feel that way with folk that have a bank book stuffed with money, They do not need to bother about principle, they are driven by the power they are given. and she knows no matter what happens it will not affect her personally, apart from lousing her job, and being a Tory she also knows it is par of the course to be rejected if you can not deliver what they have voted you in to do.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 13:28PM
I always feel that way with folk that have a bank book stuffed with money, They do not need to bother about principle, they are driven by the power they are given. and she knows no matter what happens it will not affect her personally, apart from lousing her job, and being a Tory she also knows it is par of the course to be rejected if you can not deliver what they have voted you in to do.
Actually my comment "power before principle" wasn't necessarily a criticism. In some ways politicians on a mission worry me more than the pragmatic types.

One of the purposes of politics is to govern. The Tories have realised this best of all political parties for at least 200 years. First and foremost she's a Tory. I suspect she's fairly ambivalent about the EU. But I think perhaps she's weighed up the pros and cons and decided that the best option for her (and the Tories') political future in power is to back Brexit wholeheartedly. Pragmatically that's all she and they can do. They can't be seen to go against the referendum result, a referendum instigated by a Tory PM. They have an opposition in disarray.  They can take advantage of that to achieve what the Tory grassroots want - to get out of the EU. They risk Scotland leaving the UK of course, but even that is not all bad news for the Tories. If Scotland left, it more or less ensures Tory government for half a generation or more.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: LouisJadot on Sat 11-Mar-2017 | 19:50PM
Actually my comment "power before principle" wasn't necessarily a criticism. In some ways politicians on a mission worry me more than the pragmatic types.

One of the purposes of politics is to govern. The Tories have realised this best of all political parties for at least 200 years. First and foremost she's a Tory. I suspect she's fairly ambivalent about the EU. But I think perhaps she's weighed up the pros and cons and decided that the best option for her (and the Tories') political future in power is to back Brexit wholeheartedly. Pragmatically that's all she and they can do. They can't be seen to go against the referendum result, a referendum instigated by a Tory PM. They have an opposition in disarray.  They can take advantage of that to achieve what the Tory grassroots want - to get out of the EU. They risk Scotland leaving the UK of course, but even that is not all bad news for the Tories. If Scotland left, it more or less ensures Tory government for half a generation or more.

I did not take it to mean a criticism.
I is just how I feel about them as people, that do that job, They do not seem to have have any self morals, when there gut is telling them I think it better to stay in the EU and that is the way I will vote, Then when an opportunity comes that gives them power the cant help themselves from grabbing the position, and never mind my health or any thing else, This is for me. That is what makes them dangerous.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Sun 12-Mar-2017 | 23:37PM
And yet you seem to have little problem with handing power over to the EU.
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: LouisJadot on Mon 13-Mar-2017 | 16:07PM
And yet you seem to have little problem with handing power over to the EU.

This is not about me it is about The Prime Minister  TM. :hmm:
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Harvatt on Wed 15-Mar-2017 | 21:45PM
My Word ,    Those last nineteen posts were quite interesting ,  everyone briefly
put their thoughts down ,  mostly around the same aspect of the discussion
I may add ,  but still kept the matter in hand very polite  polite     -  unusual but
brilliant !   
Regards    Terry .
Title: Re: Prime Minister of UK
Post by: Griffon on Wed 15-Mar-2017 | 21:57PM
My Word ,    Those last nineteen posts were quite interesting ,  you all briefly
put your thoughts down ,  mostly around the same aspect of the discussion
I may add ,  but still kept the matter in hand polite     -     Good .
regards    Terry .
It's one of the good things about this forum. Mainly people seem to choose to get on even if they disagree. Not like Digital Spy forums or similar where often people seem intent on having a spat which then goes on boringly for post after post.
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